Super? Natural?
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Author:  pjgh [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Super? Natural?

... just the clay to arrive now :wink:

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Quick preview? Yeah, I couldn't wait :lol:

I already machined the boot last night with a 50/50 mix of Lime Prime/Lite*, so a wipe down with Lime Prime Lite ought to be okay:

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You can see it did pick out some dirt which is evident on the pad.

Let's have a look at the paint - left and right sides:

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Yes, I forgot to take a "before" picture and had to stop waxing part way through :oops:

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... and let's get some wax on it, eh?

I applied with the finger foam - Wow! What a neat product. I worried that I did not get a lot of wax onto the foam, but as soon as it hit the paint I was very reassured. The latest Supernatural is very hard indeed, no grittiness and a pleasure to apply. I went with little circles and then went over at the end in long stripes fore/aft.

Buffed off - again, left and right sides:

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I like this one above - it gives me a preview of what I'm going to see in better weather.

... and the whole boot:

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Superb 8) Looks-wise it is superb. The wax itself is almost entirely different to the one I tried previously - this one really does deliver :cool: Torque! Pay attention :wink:

Now if only the heavens would open so I can see that beading ... waiting ... waiting ... waiting ...

Fine! I'll get a spray bottle ... grovel ... rootle ... dig ... a-ha!!! Off to the kitchen to wash it out and get some water in it ... and ... the heavens opened :twisted:


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I have beading I am happy with - compare to Swissvax Best of Show after some rain:

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It's identical as far as I am concerned.

This is a preview - I'll be clear on that.

This application was hastily done to try out the wax. When the weather looks at all decent I will be washing with the Supernatural shampoo and the Wookie fist ... clay if necessary ... and go over the whole car with my 50/50 mix of Lime Prime/Lite on a 3M blue pad, which is all it needs as far as I can see. I know how to work that product and how to get the best from it with my machine.

From there I will hand apply the Supernatural wax (well, I'll probably have a go at machining some on, too :wink: ), leave it 15-30 minutes or more if necessary, buff off and buff again after half an hour, or so. After the first wash, I'll get another layer on and see how I go as to whether I turn to Sour Power and some Red Mist to revive the look after a few weeks.

* 50/50 mix of Lime Prime/Lite - why? Well, I have a number of unmarked bottles and poured some Lime Prime Lite into a bottle that I thought was Lime Prime Lite, but once the two products met it became apparent that the bottle in fact contained Lime Prime. So, I have a concoction that is high in cleaners and low in abrasives ... somewhere in between ... Dom at Dodo Juice said it would be fine to use, just won't deliver the cut that Lime Prime does but will need treating as such.

Meanwhile, I've left the Wookie fist out to see what the cats make of it ... one came downstairs and swore at it, the other ran away at the first sight of it as I unpacked it :twisted:

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Author:  Torque [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Super? Natural?

pjgh wrote:
Torque! Pay attention :wink:

I must admit that right up until that point I was going to comment that I thought you, like me, were unimpressed with it but I'll say nowt :lol: :lol: :lol:

Author:  pjgh [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:43 pm ]
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Apparently, that pot was an early mix of the version 2 wax. The funny thing is, version 1 is held with some esteem. I wonder if they just plain old got it wrong for a short run in between and we happened to try one of the few bad ones.

This wax is NOTHING like that pot. It is hard, not slushy, smooth and not at all gritty:

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Author:  Torque [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:48 pm ]
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That's extremely good to hear. I did find it hard to accept that Dodo had produced something which didn't live up to their usual standards and I must say that it put me off their products, perhaps I'll have a look at some, or another of their products when I next come to try another wax.

Your report on the finger foam makes me want to try that too.

Looking forward to your feedback on the Wookie.

Author:  pjgh [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:58 pm ]
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The finger foam is very well made. I tend to use either a Sonus professional applicator or one of the similar sizes white ones from Flexipads. The foam is not as dense as the yellow round pads that I used before and so less likely to catch tiny particles of dirt that just ends up smearing light scratches into my paint.

The wax itself is hard and just a small wipe of the foam into the wax got enough out for pretty much all of the boot :shock: The combination spreads a seriously thin layer on. Really good!

Author:  tjgti [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:06 pm ]
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lovely beadage there pjgh
i got my mate some for his birtday as he has an immaculate R6 from new, now 3 yrs old, but it is like new & the garage thought he was joking when he asked for booking it in for his 1st MOT! :lol:
Anyhow, the red tank on his bike comes up really nice with the SN on it, however i dont think i could justify a large pot to do my car in.... :oops:

Author:  big co [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:47 pm ]
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nice write up

i got a panel pot of SN ages ago v1 and didnt like it at all and it has a very gritty feel

any body want a swap :D

Author:  pjgh [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:23 pm ]
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I tell you what ... I'm having so much fun with this little tub of wax, putting it here, putting it there, opening it, sniffing it (yeah, I know :lol: ), closing it :oops: Oh, and three hours later popping another layer on the car.

Those finger foams are ace for getting a whisper thin layer on and I'm kind of confused how soooooo little product goes so far. I'm convinced I haven't got any out of the tub onto the foam until I touch it on the paint.

Wax on ...

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... wax off:

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Yeah, I'd scream too if I saw that :twisted:

Using the sun, you can just make out some hologramming from the curing product:

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I'm keeping clear of QDs which might interfere with the purity of the product, so ... a little spritz of cold distilled water from a bottle I keep in the fridge and it's gone:

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... nothing but perfection :cool:

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Author:  john1970 [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:13 pm ]
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looking good mate :cool:

Author:  GIZTO29 [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:17 pm ]
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PJ, that pic of the vehicle passing (how do you do it!) is the finest ive seen as in the finish of your boot! (not content of photo). The one of the wooden post while you were out driving runs it close mind! Im so happy youve had another try of this stuff as i was confused. As you know im new to detailing but have used about 6ish waxes and this one is the best ive seen so far. I nearly bought the wookie on sunday and the supernatural shampaz but got the sour power in my prize and spent up on the EZ Brush and the Zymol Field glaze. Its ginormous isnt it :lol: So is the shampoo ouderless then?

Author:  pjgh [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:22 pm ]
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I'm looking forward to doing the whole car - while I don't think the results are any better than simply machine polished with ... well, any wax on let alone the Swissvax Best of Show that is on, Dodo Juice waxes are much more "up my street" in terms of their ethos.

I was very excited to try Supernatural before and disappointed by the results the first time. I'd pretty much discounted their waxes thereafter but was challenged by Dom to try the latest version and so I vowed to make the very best of the prep and application, hence the bucket load of other Supernatural products.

It's a result for me - I can achieve the very purest look by machine and just wrap it up in a layer of the purest carnauba with this wax. I hope the shampoo is all I expect it to be - the shampoo, mit, clay, finger foam and wax make one heck of a nice kit.

I'm staying sealants on my white car, but I'll not doubt give it the Supernatural treatment just once :wink:

Author:  pjgh [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:33 pm ]
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GIZTO29 wrote:
PJ, that pic of the vehicle passing (how do you do it!) is the finest ive seen as in the finish of your boot!

... a lucky shot. I take a lot of pictures and some come out well, some miss the point. Yeah, the one of the wooden post was pretty good. This one?


... if we ever have a "take a picture of your car next to a wooden post" competition, I've got that nailed :twisted:

GIZTO29 wrote:
So is the shampoo ouderless then?

It smells of fresh air. I gather the Dodo guys bottle fresh air, compress it and emulsify it into the purest of shampoos :twisted:

No, seriously, it does have a smell - of course it does. It's certainly not unpleasant, just fresh without any overriding dominant scent. It is unscented, but there is a smell. I won't be sneaking down in the night to have a quick sniff :oops:

The wax is, again, without scent but does have a smell. Again, it is fresh. Nice :cool:

The wookie has a good smell, too ... like old sheep :D It is enormous! I reckon two dunks will empty my buckets. I hope it's as good as I think it will be - I've no badges on my cars, so that's half of the problem out of the way. I do have that bodykit that can snag where it meets the paintwork, so I'll have to be careful there.

Author:  GIZTO29 [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:47 pm ]
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Aye, thats the pic! So how do you rate it against your current fav, Artemis?

Author:  pjgh [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:04 pm ]
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GIZTO29 wrote:
Aye, thats the pic! So how do you rate it against your current fav, Artemis?

It's a little early to say, certainly too early to make a decision versus Swissvax Best of Show. I like it better than Chemical Guys Pete's 53, which I regard to about as close to Swissvax Best of Show as you can get for looks without actually buying the stuff.

Versus Artemis Wax Seal? Well ... I actually found the curing of Artemis to be worse than Supernatural, requiring a considerable buff later, but boy was it worth it. It didn't do it the first time I used it, but did thereafter. For application, looks and longevity, I think I'd still err on the side of the ValetPro product.

... for ethics and purity, it has to be Supernatural. The reason I came back to it was for the purity of the product. I really want the purest look - machine polished and a pure wax.

I would still wholeheartedly recommend Artemis Wax Seal to anyone - I still think it is what Collinite 915 really should be and will continue to use the pot I've bought. The thing is, it works without all the voodoo :wink: Dodo Juice waxes seem to really need that pre-wax cleanse, which is okay for most of us but not something I can tell the average Sunday car washer to try - they just wouldn't get it.

I am a lot happier about Supernatural now. I have heard rumblings from Dodo Juice that they're going to tweak it further and hope to be at the forefront of some testing there. I don't want them to change for the worse. This is the most pure wax you can buy - there's nothing other than natural products in there, with a little magic. It truly is the purest wax for the purest finish, but I would not recommend it to everyone - just those who want to go that extra step and are prepared to invest the time and energy into getting the very best that they can.

Yup! I'm a convert :lol:

Still, my favourite other waxes are:

1. Chemical Guys Pete's 53
2. Pinnacle Souveran
3. ValetPro Artemis Wax Seal
4. Collinite 845
5. Collinite 915
6. Autobright Butter/Better Wax
7. Crystal Noir - yes, there's an outsider :wink:
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9. ...
10. R222/P21S

Still yet to try Victoria Wax Concours, but kind of hoping what appears to be a victory (fingers crossed) in the monthly competition might change that :D

Author:  charlie53 [ Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:12 pm ]
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pjgh wrote:
Still yet to try Victoria Wax Concours, but kind of hoping what appears to be a victory (fingers crossed) in the monthly competition might change that :D

Just checked the COTM thread, your car looks awesome, you've got my vote :cool:

I now expect a superb in-depth review of Vic's in return though :D, as it's caught my eye a few times when I've been browsing CYC and I’m eager to try it.

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