First go with Gtechniq P1/C2

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First go with Gtechniq P1/C2

Post by pjgh » Sun May 30, 2010 6:24 pm

P1? That's the nano polish. C2? That the liquid paint coating which must be applied to clean paint.

Say again ...

http://gtechniq.com/shop/3s-for-cars/po ... te-polish/
P1 is a very different kind of polish. Breakthroughs in nano-structured composite materials allowed us to develop an incredibly uniform abrasive particle on the nanoscopic scale. This allows us to manufacture a polish that requires almost no lubrication, which offers three important advantages.

The first is speed / effort. With many more active particles working the surface, the polish works faster with less effort than traditional compound abrasives.

Secondly with virtually no lubricant, a P1 finish doesn't suffer "drop back". This is where the lubricants in a traditional polish hide minor imperfections, typically micro scratches in the polished surface, only for them to be revealed after the lubricants have washed off. With P1 what you see is what you get.
http://gtechniq.com/shop/3s-for-cars/ex ... ncentrate/
Based on pure monomolecular silicium (SI14), C2 is a non-yellowing, high gloss, dirt repelling coating that cross-links with all surfaces of your car including bodywork, glass and trim providing long lasting (as much as 6 months from a single application) and exceptionally easy non smearing application.

Completely repaint compatible (silicium or silicon should not be confused with man-made silicone which causes repaint issues) C2 can be applied to uncoated paint in concentrate form to seal paintwork providing great durability and exceptional gloss. It can also be diluted (5% product to water) and used as a quick detailer to provide that final touch and perfection to your car’s finish. Being chemically inert, C2 is compatible with every type of wax or polymer coating and can be used as a base layer or top layer. In fact we are so confident you will love the look, durability and ease of application we guarantee your previous favourite pot of wax will soon have a layer of dust on it and you will be out enjoying your car instead of labouring on removing wax residues from panel gaps and trim!

For C2 Liquid Crystal Kit we recommend to perfect your car’s finish first using P1 Nanoscopic Polish and P2 Hologram Remover then apply C2 neat (wipe on, wipe off with a microfibre). You will need no more than 50ml of product for this stage. Once sealed you should then pour 25ml into the empty 500ml container and fill with water. You can then use this as your final quick detailer after washing your car (use once every 3 to 4 washes) to keep your car’s finish in perfect condition.
That's what.

Test subject? My white car boot. I've got Bilt Hamber Auto Balm on it to remind me what that product is like on outside panels (I used it in door shuts and so on) and ... I didn't like it, so it's gone. My intention is to use C2 up the sides of our cars. I don't really like waxing the sides of cars, much preferring top panels, so ... anything for an easy life :wink: I'll reserve top panels for waxes and sealants that I like to use.

I washed the panel and then wiped it down with 50/50 IPA. I then polished it with P1 on a blue microfibre pad which didn't go as well as I thought it might. The polish is very dry, by which I mean kind of chalky although in no was scratchy. It just doesn't want to spread and I guess it's a better machine polish than hand polish - I gather it can dust a lot and you need to have a spritzer of water handy to keep it liquid. Being a "one" style polish which you work for as long as you need to I think it will be fine on machine - I hope so, since I've bought the corresponding pad and backing plate at a reasonable but significant price. Furthermore, it is nano polish and is said to "fill in" unevenness in the paint with nano particles. I say fill since it kind of is, but kind of isn't - either way it does it at a nano-level :D Like Carlack68 NSC?

Next I applied C2 with a make-up pad remover. I inverted the bottle three times onto the pad and that was quite sufficient for the whole boot. I think twice would have done it ... and by invert, I mean hold the pad over the mouth of the bottle and turn it upside down. Yes, that little ... maybe a couple of millilitres!

Pictures don't show anything, but when I poured some water over the panel ... :shock:

I have never seen anything like it:

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... the streams are water falling through the spoiler drain holes.

The water just ran off, practically refusing to bead and where it did bead just ran off with the slightest of nudges. Seriously, I have never seen anything like this. The benefit is, dirt carried in rain or other water will have no chance of sitting, drying and leaving deposits - the water just rolls off the panel.

This little guy turned up to see what all the fuss was about :lol:

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Stunned! It bodes very well ... I'll hopefully polish up and seal the sides of both cars this week. I'll be using C2 as a QD to maintain these areas.

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Post by Ash » Sun May 30, 2010 9:40 pm

I was waiting for you to use C2 Paul and I had a feeling you would be impressed :wink:


I went on a ten mile round trip yesterday in the rain and it stop raining a few miles from home. Car was dead dry when I parked up :shock: ....rain what rain :!: :cool:

I've found a new best friend :wink:. I just hope it lasts as well as the claims.

As you've found out a little goes a very long way.

What do you think about the look :?:
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Post by pjgh » Sun May 30, 2010 10:10 pm

I am astonished at how well the water runs off - it's like glass care, but on paint :D
Ash wrote:What do you think about the look :?:
I've held off comment on that since the light was very bad earlier. I've wasted my Sunday with beers and DVDs and a gorgeous day outside waiting for the sun to go around the house and leave me with shadow to work in. As soon as that happened, it clouded over ... and actually started raining :roll:

In overcast skies, I don't think it achieved quite as much as I am used to ... on MY white. I am a VERY exacting customer, though. I think it will do the job I want it to and do it very well. Again, I reserve judgement until I see it for what it is. I often say about sealants like Finish Kare 1000P ... when you see it, that'll be all you see.

So far, I am impressed with C2 for pretty much everything, but I've not "seen it".

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Post by GIZTO29 » Sun May 30, 2010 11:07 pm

Dunno if you noticed but ibn my recent Prima Banana Gloss thread i mentioned i found that the G1 coated glass is 'clean' after a wash and i havnt had to use the usual AG Fast Glass after a wash to spruce the glass up as its 'just clean'! Also have to say after applying the g1 with the pads it seems like the way to go although Rob and others say to use an MF.
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Post by pjgh » Sun May 30, 2010 11:31 pm

Yes, I have also found that the windscreen is clean .. bug splats come off with a very minimal wipe over. I've not used a glass cleaner on any treated area since application!

I do tend to use a waxy shampoo - Finish Kare 1016, and we're warned against it by Gtechniq for C1/C2 and C3 finishes. Where I have got suds onto glass coated in G1, it doesn't seem to make any impact at all - the glass stays clean and whatever hits it rolls straight off.

I think I'll switch to either Autoglym Bodywork Shampoo & Conditioner or Dodo Juice Supernatural for maintaining C2/C3 finishes - they are non-waxy but do have a gloss. C2 as a QD should remedy any issues.

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Post by Ash » Sun May 30, 2010 11:44 pm

pjgh wrote:I am astonished at how well the water runs off - it's like glass care, but on paint :D
Ash wrote:What do you think about the look :?:
I've held off comment on that since the light was very bad earlier. I've wasted my Sunday with beers and DVDs and a gorgeous day outside waiting for the sun to go around the house and leave me with shadow to work in. As soon as that happened, it clouded over ... and actually started raining :roll:

In overcast skies, I don't think it achieved quite as much as I am used to ... on MY white. I am a VERY exacting customer, though. I think it will do the job I want it to and do it very well. Again, I reserve judgement until I see it for what it is. I often say about sealants like Finish Kare 1000P ... when you see it, that'll be all you see.

So far, I am impressed with C2 for pretty much everything, but I've not "seen it".
I love the look but I guess it will take on a different look depending on the cars colour.

So far I can't see myself going back to another LSP but it is very tempting to try a something on top :oops:
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Post by pjgh » Mon May 31, 2010 12:00 am

Ash wrote:So far I can't see myself going back to another LSP but it is very tempting to try a something on top :oops:
Gtechniq ... on their website wrote:... we are so confident you will love the look, durability and ease of application we guarantee your previous favourite pot of wax will soon have a layer of dust on it and you will be out enjoying your car instead of labouring on removing wax residues from panel gaps and trim!
That does scare me more than a little, since I do so enjoy using waxes and sealants. That said, I have vowed to leave top panels since I do enjoy playing with waxes. Put it another way, if the "present" (or even the "future") is so perfect, why do so many of us drive cars that are decades old? :wink:

... now where's the bag of popcorn smilie?

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Post by GIZTO29 » Mon May 31, 2010 12:06 am

It ca only be C3! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Ash » Mon May 31, 2010 10:03 am

pjgh wrote:
Ash wrote:So far I can't see myself going back to another LSP but it is very tempting to try a something on top :oops:
Gtechniq ... on their website wrote:... we are so confident you will love the look, durability and ease of application we guarantee your previous favourite pot of wax will soon have a layer of dust on it and you will be out enjoying your car instead of labouring on removing wax residues from panel gaps and trim!
That does scare me more than a little, since I do so enjoy using waxes and sealants. That said, I have vowed to leave top panels since I do enjoy playing with waxes. Put it another way, if the "present" (or even the "future") is so perfect, why do so many of us drive cars that are decades old? :wink:

... now where's the bag of popcorn smilie?
It scares me too :!: I do like to try different products and if this turns out to be the ultimate LSP it will just be washing at the weekends and having the cleanest interior on the planet :wink:

Mine you if different people start to make this type of thing we way have others to try :wink:
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Post by GIZTO29 » Mon May 31, 2010 10:56 am

Ive seen a few others mentioned. Nanolex and AQuartz are the main two ive seen. No doubt others will appear in the future....
http://www.nanolex.de/en
http://www.monzacarcare.com/nanolex-paint-sealants/

http://www.aquartz.net/
Ive just been reading about one of their products called ironcut which someone has been recommended after grinding metal accidentally over their car. This stuff will remove the grinding particles from the glass they say! It appears Tim is gonna be selling the stuff.....
If this is the shape of things to come we wont even need to wash our cars soon! :cry:

Oh and Paul, did the bug slide off the boot?? :lol: :lol:
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Post by pjgh » Mon May 31, 2010 11:16 am

I read about AQuartz a good couple of years ago - there was a trend towards these "glass" finishes (because they contain silicum, or something like ... which when applied with head ... head? EDIT: HEAT ... becomes a kind of glass) and it looked even then like the next big thing.

I think Gtechniq have it well placed for all manner of ancilliary finishes - glass, cloth, leather and so on. I can see all kinds of disaster with the paint coatings and I think it will, for the most part, be offered as a professional application or used by a few skilled or adventurous enthusiasts.

The "normal" end of the market are unlikely to take it on due to cost and will carry on with what they see on the shelves of Halfords and I think the majority of enthusiasts and professionals will carry on in the traditional manner, perhaps working some of these products into their routines for additional longevity of finish.

I think it will be a LONG time before we drop the notion of waxing our cars. So, CYC to be selling AQuartz ... good stuff! I'm keen to try their gear, too, but I think I have enough on my plate at the moment with Gtechniq.
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Post by GIZTO29 » Mon May 31, 2010 11:32 am

Totally agree Paul, i like the GTechniq brand and the fact that they have Pro stuff and also stuff for me to use. The AQuartz looks like a chew having to use heatguns and all that jazz! The Ironcut stuff i mentioned seems interesting though.
For me i dont really want an lsp that lasts 2 years but do want a wheel sealant/trim coating/glass sealant that performs in that way as i think we all agree theyre the bits that you find a chore......
If i could just spray my wheels with the PW, give them a quick rub with shampoo and mitt and they were spotless i'd be over the moon!

Did the bug slide off then? :razz:
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Post by StuR328 » Mon May 31, 2010 12:18 pm

:o just looked at that IronCut stuff, wowwy.

Could do with some of that as I've still got some particles on the roof.

found a youtube vid of it in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP7ZHr-vfu8

edit - not that good a vid actually :( but it does show that it does indeed change colour :lol:

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Post by Ash » Mon May 31, 2010 12:25 pm

Interesting stuff guy's :cool:.
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Post by pjgh » Mon May 31, 2010 12:46 pm

I like the way Iron Cut "reacts" and goes purple - you can see it working.

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