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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:47 pm 
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Guys,

I have another wax in ... no, really? :lol:

Yes, really ... and it's from the mighty 3M: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/e ... WJJPR8NMbl

You know how products come and go ... and fashions seem to spring up. Well, there's a lot of talk about this wax at the moment and it appears that our very own CYC were in there a while ago, since I found a discontinued page on this site for the wax: http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/3m-pa ... d_493.html

Time to start selling it again, Tim?

I had a quick go the other day on the bonnet of my white car and my initial impression was very good. I commented on DW:

pjgh ... on DW wrote:
Well, my impression was that this delivers a "classy gloss". Some LSPs deliver a bright gloss, like Meguiars #16, Collinite 476S and so on ... and some very glassy, like P21S or Finish Kare 1000P. To me, this is more like Collinite 915 - glossy, yes, "classy", too. Often that is described as a "depth". Remember I said about the texture of colour? This is richer. Rather than seeing depth like a clear mill pond, what I mean by depth of colour is more like the difference between silk and velvet - both have a sheen, yet the velvet is deeper.


"Classy gloss" :!:

Well, I had ear-marked today as the day to get my white car winter-prepped. I know ... I had Finish Kare 1000P pegged as the one for my white car this year, but the 3M wax can in as a late entry, full of promise, so let's see how it fairs.

This morning was a bit of a wash out for the weather, but by late morning it was showing some promise of clearing up. I got the cars washed in the last of the drizzle (probably a "bad thing" to do, but ...) and then as if on cue, it stopped. Quick rinse down, dry off and let's have a go with this wax properly.

To prepare, I use Serious Performance Paint Cleanser to get the paint as perfectly clean as it can be. I have machine polished both cars in the last couple of months, so they're pretty much swirl and scratch-free. I use a Sonus Professional Hand Applicator for the paint cleanser. I suppose I could have used an AIO, but when I don't need the polish or the sealant I like to use a "pure" paint cleanser.

Lovely, creaking clean ... ready for the wax.

My quick go the other day was with one of those yellow round applicators that came gratis with the tin of wax (thanks, Ron @Motorgeek) and I felt it went on a little thick. It came off perfectly well those, so no issues. Today, I used another Sonus Professional Hand Applicator and the coat went on soooooo thin. You'll see when we get to the pictures of the black car, but pointless photographing on white.

Buffed off with a EuroW deep pile towel ... WOW!!!

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2424.jpg

Hopefully, they give the general impression of what I was seeing - full on blistering bright paintwork with some classy depth. I took the first one on an angle to try to show the wetness that I was seeing and the second one of the spoiler shows how the brightness glowed off the paint - you can see the brightness reflected up on to the somewhat dirty spoiler. I know ... I know ... I really should sort that out.

... then we had some more drizzle, which turned into rain ... and stopped abruptly with almost clear skies, so a quick spray down with the water going high over the car to simulate further rain. Enjoy!

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2473.jpg

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2476.jpg

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2485.jpg

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2478.jpg

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2477.jpg

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2479.jpg

Fwar! That's beading porn ...

Once overwhelmed with their own weight, the water just flowed off. The shape of this car does leave that area with standing water, but watching the behaviour of the water (especially on the boot) the droplets flowed off as if assisted with a little "turbo-power".

The little water droplets wrote:
"There's the ground, now let's get over this paint as FAST as we can ... WEEEEEE!!!" :oops:


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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2480.jpg

I washed the black car down and dried off the sides. The top panels have Collinite 915 on, which is my winter wax of choice for this car, but if this 3M wax shows promised ... who knows. So, the black car is just the sides with 3M.

Here it is curing:

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2487.jpg

... no, really, there's wax on there ... look:

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2488.jpg

... and removed with a Sonus microfibre (one of the white ones with a red band), which seems to be just enough bite and very soft for this paint:

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2491.jpg

Again, this is to show the general impression of the "classy" gloss that is delivered by this wax. Perfect!

Straight on? Why not - it shows off the paint against rubber and glass :thumb:

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/3M39526/DSCF2494.jpg

Summary comments?

Well, this was just about application today and we'll see how it lasts. My general impression was that I have not seen this level of brightness on my white car often before - Duragloss and Finish Kare seem to deliver, but there's something a little more to this and I can see myself layering some Finish Kare 1000P over when the weather comes brighter. I talked about a "classy" gloss and that's what this wax does - think, the difference between Collinite 915 and 476S, but this one delivers the brightness too as well as the warm depth. Personally, for looks, I think it knocks the spots of both.

If Finish Kare 1016 is the "new" 476S, then this is the "new" 915.

That it comes in a wide tin, rather than a plastic pot is something I happen to like - that kind of retro-feel. Others may like the tactile plastic pots of more expensive waxes and there's nowt wrong with that. For me, for application, this knocks out several other more expensive waxes that I have, that I have enjoyed and will probably no longer use.

It won't knock Dodo Juice Supernatural or Swissvax Best of Show out of my routines since they hold special places for certain deserving cars, but it rather puts Collinite 476S, 915, even 845 and Chemical Guys Pete's 53 out of my routines and if the durability is as good as I hope, then it certainly will. There's something quite special about Finish Kare 1000P for my white car and as I said, I can see myself topping this up mid-winter (as I seem to have to do with any wax - even the mighty Collinite) with Finish Kare 1000P for extra glassiness to see the finish through. I mention those products since they are the ones I use most regularly.

It seems to do what Meguiars #26 topped with #16 does, or Collinite 915 topped with 845 ... or Chemical Guys Pete's 53 topped with Dodo Juice Red Mist. In a word, it's deep and glossy ...

"Classy gloss" :cool:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:16 pm 
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I've never tried it, and great results there ! That tight bead is always a good sign I think :cool:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:12 pm 
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Looks really smart mate. I'm still gobsmacked at hell well maintained those Saab's are. I saw one the other day on the M1 and strangely thought of yours lol.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:36 pm 
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Cheesr lads - yeah, the Classic 900 owner is a curious fellow. We tend to be very similar people, often professionals on the arty side of science-based professions who have a taste for that peculiar shape from the '80s.

I don't quite know what it is about them, but we'll maintain these old cars to such a high standard, servicing on the dot, dealing with any issues immediately and generally taking better car of £3000 of car than the £30,000 cars we had before :? Of course there are bangers out there - we claim these are just running spares cars and you only ever see them on the road because the damn things just keep on running :lol:

There is such a strong online community and one which has very much broken out into the real world with meetings, gatherings, get-togethers and "bring yer spanners" weekends. Folks will think nothing of travelling the length of the country to a SAAB meet - there's a chap up in Aberdeenshire who runs the UK SAABs forum and he has a fantastic boneyard, being an antique car trader himself. Folks will travel up from Cornwall to those kind of meets. A few came down from that area to my mate's funeral the other month, having only met him once and a chap came up from Shrewsbury, having never met the fellow.

That's one heck of a family ... and once your in, YOU'RE IN :cool:

You might notice a ripple over the rear wheel arch on my white car - that's an old wound that I really want sorting. There's bubbling rust coming up on the front wing, too, so come spring that will be replaced (with new, of course) and the rear wing chopped out and good metal put back in.

The car was in a bit of a bad state back in 2003 when I took ownership of it ... from my wife who ran it for about three months and then it got rear-ended. It sat at the side of the road for about 6 months until I decided to get it fixed up - letting it sit did more damage than the collision. 3/3/03 it was back on the road and gleaming perfect. I've kept it that way with regular polishes with AG SRP and EGP and about two years ago found this site - since then, it's remained perfect through winters that would have had the elements in there ruining seams and making the paint go brown.

It's actually coming up my second anniversay would you believe it - I've come a long way in two years :shock: ... and probably taken more paint off the cars than I would have done in 15 sticking with AG SRP :oops:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:14 pm 
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Agree with Paul, SAAB owners are an odd bunch..... in the nicest possible way. For me this sums them up perfectly - an oddball idea which SAAB owners took too..

http://www.saabtrek.com/babe.html

Go to half way down the page 'How it all started' for initial info.

Paul, your cars always look stunning, have an internetted 'slap on the back'


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:37 pm 
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Yep, we are a funny lot, and there does seem to be a character quirk regarding 900 owners that means we take things to extemes in terms of preserving our cars!

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We are also a very strong community, and for those that don't believe it, have a read of this thread.

Project Phoenix

Although not a common occurance, things like this do happen a couple of times a year. It is a big family, and once in, never forgotten.

Obsessive? Us? Never!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:41 pm 
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Dealer sticker on the door jamb? Nice :cool:
You missed the opportunity with the open door to show off the Bridge of Weir tag :wink:

You gonna get some 3M wax, FUBES?

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Just missed this order Paul, but I will be adding some to my next!

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