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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:00 pm 
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Guys - Following some good advice from Lord Melch, I think I'm pretty set on CG Jetseal 109/CG 50/50 (which I've found a reasonably priced set) for my white car which is due some promotional vinyls soon. The vinyls were the main consideration for moving to CG Jetseal because I've read the my usual wax can peel away at the edges of vinyls.

The vinyls will be just on the bonnet, but I want the car to be positively dripping for the summer months.

So, starting from scratch, what steps should I take to get the white car gleaming right? I have SRP and CL68 SNC in my repertoire, but I'm open to advice about polishing and glazing the paint before sealing with Jetseal and finally waxing. Is SRP a bad idea before Jetseal? Should I use a pure polish and a glaze rather than something like SRP?

From what I've read, a glaze is going to give me a deeper shine on properly polished paint and a sealant is best over a glaze than other "all in one" kind of products. Since the sealant and wax will be Chemical Guys, should I perhaps stick to their products for a polish and glaze? Something I can buy from CYC would be really good - sorry I can't get Jetseal and 50/50 from CYC ... I've read Tim's comments about the distributor of those products in another post :wink:

What advice do you guys have?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:54 pm 
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LOL ... talking to myself again :lol:

I've done a load more reading and I have some pretty specific questions. I gather there are kind of two approaches - natural or synthetic ... or somewhere in between.

Natural, I could go for polish, oil based glaze (like Meg's #7) and then a nice carnauba wax. That's okay, but I want fake, dripping gloss, so ... polish, some glaze, CG Jetseal 109 and see if I like it ... maybe wax afterwards with something like 50/50 or Pete's which apparently still reveals a good shine while protecting.

So ... specific questions ... LSP will be CG Jetseal 109:

1. What glaze can I use underneath Jetseal? I have read Megs #7 can cause issues with the sealant binding to it. I have also read that sealant has no problems binding to it ... what should I believe?
2. The polish - can a glaze (see 1.) sit on SRP. The car will have some microfine scratches that I want covering/filling.
3. (See 2.) Would Car-Lack68 SNC do for filling, or is that the job of the polish/glaze?

Could I Car-Lack68 SNC, Megs #7 glaze, CG Jetseal 109 seal?
Would CG WMF be better instead of Megs #7? Would any of these recipes work on AG SRP?

Help :lol: I've been bed-bound with man 'flu and had nothing but horror films and the internet to keep me company ... information overload :twisted:

As an aside, we also have a black car ... Jetseal is "ace", apparently and I'm inclined to believe the fellow who said that, but I can't help thinking Megs #7 will give an awsome deep liquid shine to the well polished paintwork. Please tell me Jetseal will stick to Megs #7 :wink:

On the white car I want to go AG SRP or CL68 SNC followed by Jetseal. That should "drip". On the black car, I think cleanse, Megs #7 then Jetseal should give a glossy liquid deep enough to swim in. Am I on the right lines?

Forget protection for now ... I think through the summer months a sealant should do the trick and then when it rolls around to next late autumn, I can do my Car-Lack duet and top with Collinite 476S (or maybe 845?) until next spring. Boy, do I think ahead :lol: You can tell, I'm a little excited - the penny has dropped and I don't need long lasting protection ... spring/summer is for dripping gloss :cool:


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1. What glaze can I use underneath Jetseal? I have read Megs #7 can cause issues with the sealant binding to it. I have also read that sealant has no problems binding to it ... what should I believe? I would suggest CG EZ Glaze with Acrylic Shine II http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/glazes/ez ... d_145.html

2. The polish - can a glaze (see 1.) sit on SRP. The car will have some microfine scratches that I want covering/filling. A glaze is designed to sit on a polish, so it should be okay sitting in AG SRP

3. (See 2.) Would Car-Lack68 SNC do for filling, or is that the job of the polish/glaze? I think NSC is more of a cleaner polish, than a filler polish

I had CG WMF but couldn't get on with it. Don't use AG SRP so can't confirm how other products sit on it.

I've just watched a detailing DVD, where they machine polished and machine waxed a black 1960 Corvette, then added a layer of Megs #7 on top of that :cool:

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Thanks for the reply - interesting stuff. I was concerned about the sealant qualities of SRP and wondered how a glaze would sit on top. I've used other products on top of SRP in the past, but I'm stepping into new products a little wide-eyed at the moment.

On our black car, I used CL68SNC and all the little swirls disappeared, hence my question. Since that happens, I think a glaze of Meg's #7 is going to be just the right thing to do. The car is an old Classic 900 SAAB, so ... not modern paintwork. I think cleanse, glaze with Megs and wax off with a nice carnauba wax will give the kind of shine in want on that car. I'd still like to know how Jetseal sits on Megs #7.

I will look into the EZ Glaze ... it certainly sounds like the right thing to boost the polished shine on my white car and will sit under Jetseal with no problem. Interesting comment about the CG WMF ... how did you use it? What did you use it with? What did you not get on with? Application or result?


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The result :!: Applied with microfibre pad and removed with microfibre cloth but no matter how I applied it, left it; it always smeared. Had plenty of other products, so offloaded it to a mate, who loves it :roll:

As mentioned on other threads, we have a 1990 Diamond White XR3i, which was cleaned with Dodo Juice Lime Prime, 2 coats of Diamond White (hard wax) and a top coat of Light Fantastic (soft wax), AWESOME :cool:

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Right guys, I have now got some CG EZ Glaze. Roll on the weekend, so I can give my white car a damn good AG SRP and then glaze, then Jetseal (I love this product for white) ... so far I have not put a wax on top, but I might well this weekend.

I intend to use CG EZ Glaze on my mate's metallic light silver car in a couple of weeks, too ... that's the 'vert I'm preparing for the Chipping show at the end of the month. I think I'll go for the same treatment as the procedure I am already happy with on my white car (as well as the glaze stage) and add a wax as a final layer, leaving him with some #135 for QD at the show.

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Give us some pics once you are finished, you are my guinea pig :lol: :lol:

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I am already really really happy with the finish that CG Jetseal gives on white. After something like AG SRP which is a well regarded hand product for filling/masking swirls it just boosts the shine so much. Astonishingly so! I still want more, so I've gone for a nice glaze. The glaze should have some swirl filling/masking capabilities, so I will try to make some side-by-side applications with/without SRP underneath.

I am led to believe that CG EZ Glaze will really boost the shine, especially for light cars. We'll see. My camera techniques are not good, what with me only having a "point and shoot" digital camera, but I will try to capture what is going on. I will certainly give my honest opinion of the products as they appear to me, by eye and how they interact with each other.

The smell? Grapes ... or bubblegum. Yum! :lol:

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Here you go, jamest ...

Here's the glaze on its own:

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/sw ... CF7366.jpg

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... and with 2x CG Jetseal 109 on top:

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http://www.pjgh.co.uk/gallery_albums/sw ... CF7368.jpg

Over here I did say that I don't think CG EZ Glaze actually adds anything to the shine on my white car; certainly no more than just CG Jetseal 109, which is the best shine I've had yet. On metallic silver, maybe ... I'll be trying that combo soon.

It is a pleasure to use, like all Chemical Guys products. Next is the hunt for the best wax for white ... we've already had some really good suggestions for white car owners, along the lines of CG 50/50 and the Dodo waxes. Collinite 476S is pretty good on white, too. What we need is a wax that does not interfere much with the shine but gives a pleasing finish (and is nice to apply) :wink:

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I must say that I agree with you that the jetseal doesn't appear to improve the looks of the glaze alone, I do wonder a couple of things though:

Does it look better in real life rather than photos and will the jetseal add to the longevity of the finish?

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Let me put this another way ... after AG SRP, I have previously found that Jetseal gives a dramatically improved clarity of shine. After applying the EZ Glaze, I saw much the same kind of shine, which I think Jetseal did improve upon but the overall effect is no better than using Jetseal alone on top of the polish. I wouldn't say it added any wetness on white and certainly no more gloss then just Jetseal alone.

As for longevity, I don't really have any facts and figures on the matter, other than through fairly extreme weather - snow, grit, slush, etc - Jetseal seemed to last through a fair few washes without diminishing. I think now I've tried these products, I'll keep the Jetseal for autumn/winter and use the glaze throughout the summer, topped with a nice paste wax (the brand which I have yet to decide upon). I really like what Jetseal does for my white car ... the pictures really don't do it justice. With a bit of sun, like today, it really drips :cool:

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Thanks for that Paul. I think I might try some Lime Lite once I have run out of NSC then JetSeal. Not sure about the wax. Colly is doing a fantastic job. My neighbour came out at the weekend and said you won't be able to dry it quick enough and will end up with water spots. What water? Practically dry after pouring water over it. :lol:

I am interested in the Dodo waxes, but they are rather dear.

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It may not be proper netiquette to wake up an old thread, but I am in favour of using forum boards as a knowledge base and so keeping the subjects together is always going to be a good idea.

I wrote this some time ago and in the meantime, I have tried a whole stack of products that I believe have improved the finish on my white car to the point that I can now say what I believe to be the perfect, glossiest, deep, wet-look finish on white.

A few things to say first ...

1. White is one of those colours that seems to oxidise more frequently and so benefits from regular polishing with a dedicated paint cleanser or cleaner wax - I work by hand and I'm quite a fan on Autoglym Super Resin Polish for the cleaning, light polish and glossy sealant layer that is left, but Car-Lack68 NSC does an equally good job of cleansing and sealant but lacks the excellent filling capabilities of AG SRP.

2. Beyond that, I found a glaze helped bring out the brightness of the paint - Chemical Guys EZ Creme Glaze, followed with Chemical Guys Jetseal 109 was a good combination and one I enjoyed a lot on my white car before I was introduced to Duragloss.

3. Some "glossifiying" products do so by fracturing the light as it his the paint and while it may appear very glossy, the finish is not the purity we're after here. A couple of examples are from the cheaper end of the market: Armor All Hi-Shine Soft Paste Wax delivers a great glossy bright finish, but exhibits exactly this problem - the reflections are not wet and pooling but shimmering and fractured. Asda Car Polish (yes, you read that right :lol: ) is another example.

So ... we need to either polish the paint to perfection with a machine polisher or work by hand using a dedicated paint cleanser or a filling polish of the AIO kind. I said above that AG SRP and Car-Lack68 NSC are two that I use and get good results from. Serious Performance Paint Cleanser is another good one and a great precursor to their Super Sealant. Duragloss 652 is another good one I have tried and probably a good choice if following up with Duragloss products ... that said, Duragloss 601 (the pre-bonding agent) seems to work with any polymer sealant and works well with Serious Perfomance Super Sealant.

Remember we're talking white cars here, but light metallic silver may well benefit from the same advice. One of the good things about the Duragloss sealant products is that they will happily sit on whatever you've done to the paint beforehand, so whether you've used AG SRP, a dedicated paint cleanser like the one from Serious Performance or Duragloss' own 652 Pre-Cleaner, 671 Swirl Remover or 101 Polish & Cleaner you can follow on with their 601 Pre-Bond Agent and then 105 Total Performance Polish or 111 Clear Coat Polish.

I seem to be favouring Duragloss here and personally, I have tried the 652, 601 and 105 products. As far as dedicated paint cleansers go, there's little in it and I cannot recommend the 652 product above, say Serious Performance's Paint Cleanser ... but it's good, nevertheless. The 601 and 105 products are astonishing!!! The finish is wet, deep, glossy and pooling - lovely on white.

That's where I'm at for now ...

... but, of course, I want more :twisted:

I'm looking at Zaino - I'm already happy with polishing/cleansing/cleaning and then the Duragloss 601/105 combo, but what after that? Well, I'd like to really seal that in good and proper, for which I've been reading about Zaino CS or perhaps Optimum Opti-Seal - what experiences do people have of these products? I take it either will be happy on top of a sealant like Duragloss 105 or Serious Performance Super Sealant?

Next ... optical gloss enhancers :shock: Again, Zaino or Optimum - Zaino Z6 sounds like a fun product and right up my street for the white car, but Optimum make an Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer. Again, what experiences do people have of these products? Price-wise, the Zaino product would appear to be the bargain, but does the Optimum product offer a lot more?

Once again, to recap ... I would AG SRP (or paint cleanse, as appropriate) and then Duragloss 601 and 105. After that I would Z-CS or Optimum Opti-Seal and maintain with either Zaino Z6 or Optimum Instant Detailer & Gloss Enhancer.

That, I believe is the ultimate finish for the wettest look on white. Comments?

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Thanks for that Paul. I think I might try some Lime Lite once I have run out of NSC then JetSeal. Not sure about the wax. Colly is doing a fantastic job. My neighbour came out at the weekend and said you won't be able to dry it quick enough and will end up with water spots. What water? Practically dry after pouring water over it. :lol:

I am interested in the Dodo waxes, but they are rather dear.


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