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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:35 am 
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Hello folks, new to the forum but have spent some time reading the posts and it looks pretty decent.

9-10 weeks ago we had our Mk1 Golf glass out re sprayed in 2pack (no clear coat) back to its original Mars Red after it seriously faded. Have read a lot about how long to leave it to gas off etc and won't be touching it for another 2 weeks, so waxing too early isn't an issue!

My question is, what wax would you recommend to be first applied to the paint?! Have read about water and solvent based waxes, detailers, liquid waxes, paste waxes, FK1P sealants, abrasives, water based, solvent based etc and to be honest, it's all a mine field. I do fully understand this will be personal preference for everyone!! If it can't be narrowed down to maybe 3 or 4 products then just some advice on what type of product to use would be great. Have read about the following;

Collonite 845, FK1P sealant? (which I think I'm leaning towards as a more versatile wax)
Bilthamber Autobalm
Auto Finesse Tough Coat
Wolf Chemicals Body Wrap
Zaino Z2
AutoGlym SRP or HD wax
Optimum Car Wax (water based right?)
Meguiars 105 or 205

I also want to add UV protection to the routine. Any suggestions for this?

Adding to this, I need to buy a lambs wool mitt and microfibres clothes as well as what wax I go with so if there are any firm favourites then shout them out!

Thanks in advance,
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:51 am 
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Welcome to the forum.

Yes total minefield and yes it has a large element of personally taste, plus how deep your pockets are :wink: Collonite 476 is a very good starter wax, not idea about the 845 and I can't think of anyone around here that uses it. FK1P sealant sorry but I know nothing about that one.

Auto Finesse Tough Coat
Wolf Chemicals Body Wrap
Zaino Z2, are all sealants. Do you want a wax or sealant or both? You can layer a wax on top of a sealant but not the other way around. By the way Zaino Z2 sealant is for cars with a clear coat. Zaino Z3 is for cars with no clear coat. AutoGlym SRP is more of a polish and gives very little protection as a sealant. it's best to put a wax on top of AutoGlym SRP.

Optimum Car Wax. I've used this one and it's very quick to use but for looks there are better waxes around.

Meguiars 105 or 205 are both pure polishes and are used to remove scratches and these have no protection at all!



See as said a minefield :lol:

My go too wax at present is Obsession Hybrid 86.

As good waxes I could recommend

Collinite #476s & Carlack Kit http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/complete- ... d_408.html . UV protection in the Carlack

Chemical Guys - Pete's 53 Paste Wax

Poorboys Nattys Blue Paste Wax. Looks great but only last about 2 -3 months

FinishKare 1000P Hi-Temp Sealant. Yes it's a sealant but you apply it like a paste wax. Very cheap, very good and has UV protection. http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/sealants/ ... d_589.html


I'm surprised you found someone who would spray 2-pack these days :shock: . Due to H&S I understand most body shops will not go near the stuff these days!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:12 am 
Welcome to the CYC Forum :)

I understand fully your questions, however, there is some preparation work to be done BEFORE you get to 'protecting' the paintwork...namely flattening the paint by polishing.

It would be advisable for you to get hold of a machine polisher to do this...a machine like the CYC DAS6 Pro (dual action) is capable of getting you excellent results on a 2pack paint.

The polish and pad combo, which I would recommend is Scholl S30+ (starts off at P2500 abrasive cut and refines down to P5000) so is able to flatten and refine the paint in one product. The pad would be the 3M Yellow pad.(you will need a few of these pads as 2pack paint will easily come off and can clog the pad)

- you mention the Megs #105 and #205, but this doubles up the amount of work needed.
- Autoglym SRP is a 'filler' type polish and doesn't have that much in the way of abrasive content you need.

Mars Red is notorious for fading, so you would be correct is wanting a UV protection coating. Waxes don't really have inbuilt UV protection, but some sealants do. Zaino Z2 (although named a polish), is a sealant which has HIGH UV protection inbuilt. The look it will produce is a deep, almost like dripping wet honey, gloss and lasts up to about 6 months. The downside, on red paint, is that a sealant can look 'sterile'. All is not lost...if you want a rippling/shimmering oily appearance, just add a wax over the top of the Z2.

An inexpensive wax which will goes perfct for this effect is DodoJuice's Orange Crush...it's available at the CYC shop in sample and full sizes.

Hope that this is of some help.


I would also recommend that you put your general location in your Profile, as another Forum member who might be in your area, may be able to offer some practical advise and assistance with your car and may have the machine polisher.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:19 pm 
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Thanks for the welcomes and the relies!

I'll be using a sealant and a wax on top after what I've read! I've read excellent things about Zaino so will look into the Z3 you mention for cars without a clear coat. Appreciate your views on the other products so thanks for that. Hmm know what you mean about the painting but didn't have any problems with getting someone to use 2K at all, in fact both painters I had quotes from we're happy to use it.

Thanks for your reply Willington, all of the machine polishing work was completed by the painter. I don't have access to a polishing machine and 2 factors put me off: 1. The additional cost of buying one and all the pads etc and 2. I haven't got a clue what I would be doing with it, which certainly puts the fear of God into me with this new paint! Thanks for the info about Zaino, it's UV protection qualities and its need to be improved upon on red paint. I think I'll make my order early this week and then get the glass back in, wash and protect it. Oh and I've added my location to my profile, I'm in Newbury, Berkshire.

The car won't be a daily driver and will be garaged throughout the year so it should be fairly easy to keep looking lovely!

Certain,y welcome any other input from anyone else with info or opinions on the products.

Andy


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:41 pm 
good call by Ash....Z3 is more appropriate than Z2 for a car that has no clearcoat.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:03 pm 
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You will need the Zaino - ZFX Flash Cure Accelerator Additive as well with the Z3. http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/zaino/zai ... d_465.html. It will make it cure faster and means you can do more that one coat in a day.

Instructions :wink:

Z-3 Show Car Polish is very durable, lasting up to six months. To maintain a show car finish, we recommended using Z-3 four times a year on everyday vehicles and once a month on show cars.
Thoroughly wash your car. For best results, it is critical to enable Z-3 Show Car Polish with ZFX™ Flash Cure Accelerator Additive.
Apply a thin coat of Z-3 to your entire car using a Microfibre or Tri-Foam applicator pad. On top panels, use front-to-back hand motions. On side panels, use up-and-down hand motions. This helps improve reflectivity. Heavy rubbing is not necessary.
Use a clean, microfibre towel to buff off Z-3 and reveal the hidden beauty of your paint.
As you become more familiar with Z-3 Show Car Polish application, one eight ounce bottle will do a Corvette 20 times. The key is even and thin layers.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 10:55 pm 
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Z3 it is then.

Plan will be to wash with PH neutral DoDo Juice shampoo, towel dry, apply the Z3 with the ZFX accelerator, probably 2 thin coats for durability and to provide the UV protection. Then was planning on going with the Z8 finale spray and the DoDo Juice Orange crush wax in that order (sealant then wax right?). Is this worth doing?

Adding to this, I've used Gtecnhniq C2v3 before and am impressed with how easy it is to use. Would this be worth using on top of the above? Or basically using 2 different products for the same things?

I may buy the Z6 quick detailer later to top up protection. Or would you recommend something else as the Orange Crush will be on top and the Z6 is only compatible with Zaino products?

I'll also use these products on our other daily driver vehicles but not to such a thorough extent!

Apologies for more questions but thank you for the advice!!
Andy


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:39 am 
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If you going to put a wax on the Z3, I would put the Z8 finale spray on top of the wax. At onetime this was a very popular thing to do even with the pros. I did it myself last year. Z8 finale spray is like a quick detailer on steroids :cool: .

So it would be Z3 then the wax, and finish off with Z8 finale. That was around you can always spray the odd coat of Z8 after a wash just to give it that extra wow look.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:15 pm 
The choice of wax is a very personal thing...what looks good to one person, doesn't mean that another person prefers it.... different waxes produce such a wide variation of 'looks' on different paint types and colours.

You may try inexpensive small sample pots until you find one that you like.

As Ash suggested, use the Z8 on top of the wax as this will certainly give it a wow factor, but don't expect it to adhere aswell as if it were on the Z3. Putting the wax over the Z8 will reduce the effect that it produces.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:31 pm 
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I would see how you like the Z3 & Z8 combo before adding a wax :wink:

And now the obligatory Zaino application video :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 10:56 pm 
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Thanks for the replies and suggestions. Will give it a go with Z8 on Z3 and also Z8 on Orange Crush (have bought a sample pot for now, should go a fair way on a tiny Mk1 Golf!)

Hmmm, useful video, thanks!

When I come to wash the car after I've waxed/sealed it, what products will I need to apply? Z3, wax and Z8? Just ghe wax again and Z8? Or just the Z8?

How will I know which of the products need to be topped up? Lol

TIA again!

Andy


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:46 pm 
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Personally, I'd grab some Z-6 and use this after you've washed and/or dried the car (could be used as a drying aid). If you've used the ZF-X Curing agent, then you should get 3 - 4 months protection probably more like 6 months and more; as the car is only going to be used on "high days & holidays" :D

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:58 pm 
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Ok will do then. Thanks for the reply! Looking forward to getting the glass back into it now so I can get cracking!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:58 pm 
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I remembered, that I had treated my mum's old car, with Zaino Z3. Did machine polish it prior to application, though.

So, it started like this

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Machining

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With Zaino Z3 applied

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