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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:06 pm 
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Having got my DA back in August and now kitted myself out with a collection of Chemical Guy 5 and 6 inch polishing pads plus Santa brought me a 3 inch backing plate and collection of pads, I am truly now the guy with all the gear and no idea :D

My question concerns the use of glaze and/or sealant.
My silly question is, what is the difference?

From what I can make out from the reading that I have done the full process is as follows:
Wash
Clay
Polish to remove any swirls etc.
Seal or glaze
Wax

So why would one use a sealant over a glaze (or vice versa).
Is it that a sealant is more 'permanent' and that a glaze is more sacrificial?

What is even more confusing is that the Clearkote yellow moose cream wax is listed on the CYC shop as a glaze :?

Please be gentle with me

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:12 pm 
I'll be gentle as you ask a sensible question :lol:

The main differences are :

Glaze...usually contains fillers, cleaners, sometimes abrasives and is usualy 'oily'. The oily part gives a massive increase in depth of gloss. A Glaze doesn't have any 'protective' properties...so if you have a glaze open to the elements and it rains...the glaze will just run off.

The general rule of thumb, is that you can't use a sealant over the top of a glaze (unless it is chemically engineered to do it) but a wax will happily sit over the glaze.

Sealant....a sealant is a protective coating that adheres to the car's paintwork. The paintwork should normally be clean in order that it bonds. Therefore, a glaze beneath it can prevent a sealant adhering.


There are a few glazes which a sealant can adhere to and these tend to be produced by the same manufacture...ie Poorboys Blackhole with Poorboys EX-P sealant


a wax can adhere directy onto a glaze or a sealant.

As for the Yellow moose cream wax....I have no idea.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 3:51 pm 
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Thanks for the explanation Willington.

So it would appear I was correct in my understanding that a glaze is more 'sacrificial'.

Would I also be right in saying that you re-apply a glaze more often than a sealant.
e.g. apply a sealant, say, once every six months, but a glaze, say, every month (periods not necessarily correct, but just to show as an example)

There's more to this detailing malarkey than meets the eye 8-[

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:13 pm 
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I believe the Clearkote Yellow Moose Wax is a glaze because it contains no wax! I think some companies just like to confuse folk :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:33 pm 
HUE166 wrote:
Thanks for the explanation Willington.

So it would appear I was correct in my understanding that a glaze is more 'sacrificial'.

Would I also be right in saying that you re-apply a glaze more often than a sealant.
e.g. apply a sealant, say, once every six months, but a glaze, say, every month (periods not necessarily correct, but just to show as an example)

There's more to this detailing malarkey than meets the eye 8-[

John



Unless you strip the wax top coat off, you won't be able to apply a glaze directly to the paintwork..most waxes last longer than a month.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:43 pm 
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Sorry to hijack this thread but it is sort of on the same topic;

I too wasn't sure of the difference between the two but this link;

http://www.poorboysworld.co.uk/cgi-bin/ ... db_epid=74

...suggests to me that you can polish then glaze, then sealant or wax ? is that right??

I have some AG products left so I was thinking of the following method, thoughts please

AG pressure wash/pre wash
AG shampoo hand wash
Car Pro trix
Clay bar with AG rapid detailer
AG SRP
Poorboys white diamond glaze
Dodo White diamond wax
Topped up with AG aqua wax when needed (monthly)


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:00 am 
firstly, welcome to the forum.

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...suggests to me that you can polish then glaze, then sealant or wax ? is that right??


polishing is not an issue, it is when then is applied onto the paintwork and in what order. Unless a sealant is chemically engineered to lay over a glaze ( ie poorboys white diamond/black hole and sealed over with Poorboys ex-p) there is a good chance that the sealant my not adhere to the glaze. there is no such issue with placing a wax over a glaze.

I notice that you have AG SRP. this is an all in one polish, containing a small amount of abrasives, cleansers, a lot of fillers and a small amount of sealant.

You can put a glaze over the SRP, but don't do it until the SRP has cured...otherwise you will end up with a milky slime. You can then top the glaze off with a wax. Further top offs with wax is possible to keep it looking good and protected.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 12:12 am 
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Ok thanks, how long will it take to cure? And there are more suitable polishes out there for I'm happy to act on suggestions ?? It's just I have 2 bottles of the SRP that need using up, however happy to ditch them if they're no good. My car is 2 years old and never been Clayed or polished or glazed !! I've just got the detailing bug all of a sudden :-)


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:06 am 
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Ok thanks, how long will it take to cure?


Your guess is as good as mine with these cold temperatures right now. Sealants like heat to cure (make them go hard).

SRP is more of a spread-it type of polish and masks imperfections. If applied too thick they take longer to cure and create a lot of dust when removing it. So two or three thin coats is the way to go.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2017 2:18 pm 
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You may want to take into account that the AG SRP will lay down a slight 'sealant' layer, once it has cured BUT the Poorboys White Diamond Glaze, also has a light polishing action, so which ever way round you use them, there is a good likelyhood of removing either product; best choose one or t'other and apply your wax to that :D

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