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 Post subject: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:50 pm 
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Hi,

I'd be really grateful if someone could help get me started with protecting a red Ford Cmax. It is 18 months old and I've only just taken ownership of it. I would like to apply a synthetic product rather than wax as I am lead to believe these last a little longer.

I'm a bit confused about what steps I need to take for the first application, and then what steps are needed on subsequent cleans.

I guess the most pressing is what to do first - I will need to start from the beginning with a shampoo but what will I then need to apply and in what order? If anyone has any specific recommendations of products that would be even better! A few details that may help: it's red, will be sat on driveway (exposted to sun) pretty much all the time.

Thanks!
Matt


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:13 pm 
Welcome to the CYC Forum. :D

You have asked the perfect questions.

First up is the 'decontamination' stage:

Shampoo wash (2 bucket method)
De-tar (spray and wipe followed by rinse off)
iron Fallout ( spray on, leave to dwell and then rinse off)
Clay Bar/mitt (use lots of lubrication- a weak shampoo solution/water will be fine) rinse off and dry.

you will now have a perfectly clean paintwork and be able to see any imperfections in the paintwork.

Polishing:

Should you have any paintwork imperfections, now is the time to consider polishing them out....machine or by hand.

If you do polish, it is advisable to remove any polish residues with a product such as Carpro Eraser or an Isopropyl alcohol solution. This will ensure that you don't trap in any polish under the protective layer.

Protection:

You stated a preference for a sealant as they offer longer term protection. This is true. However, you have an option here - Sealants look rather 'sterile', a high reflectivity, deep gloss 'look', but no 'warmth to a dark colour such as yours.

You could apply a sealant on it's own, a sealant base and then a wax over the top of it, or a 'hybrid' wax (a mixture of sealant and wax all in one application).


For simplicity sake, especially at this time of year, I would apply the hybrid wax, as it offers longevity, gloss and 'warmth'. You have a couple of product options here. However, Dododojuice Supernatural hybrid is available in sample sized containers, from the CYC shop, and offers all that you need/want at a low cost.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:34 pm 
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Thanks so much for the pointers. In terms of the hybrid product you mentioned, is this the one?

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/index.php ... uctId=1648

If so, how many applications would the smaller 30ml give me? Given that it is a hybrid, how much (if any) longevity am I giving up over a 100% synthetic product?

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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:44 pm 
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Willington was referring to this product :D

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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:10 pm 
Matt, you got the right one...Supernatural Hybrid/nano.

A 30ml sample should give you about 6 applications. It should produce a longevity of about 4 to 6 months (4 months in the winter) and is comparable to pure synthetic sealants.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:23 pm 
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Thanks!

I've heard you can't apply sealants on top of waxes, would this product mean I couldn't apply a purely synthetic product in future?

Oh, and will that give good UV protection as our driveway gets the sun for most of the day.

Cheers,
Matt


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:05 pm 
waxes and sealants wear off over time and this gives you options. I would recommend that if you are going to apply a pure sealant, this should be applied directly onto clean paintwork and not over the top of a wax. This avoids the product not adhering correctly or product incompatability.

As for UV protection, that is down to the technical specs of the product you select to use. Generally speaking, most sealants have inbuilt UV protection.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:30 pm 
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willington wrote:
waxes and sealants wear off over time and this gives you options. I would recommend that if you are going to apply a pure sealant, this should be applied directly onto clean paintwork and not over the top of a wax. This avoids the product not adhering correctly or product incompatability.

As for UV protection, that is down to the technical specs of the product you select to use. Generally speaking, most sealants have inbuilt UV protection.


OK, I haven't seen any specific mention of UV protection on the mfr's website.

In terms of the the other products you mentioned, am I right in thinking:
- The tar remover is something I use on the body work/wheel and I use it as a spot treatment - i.e. just where I can see tar spots, rather than applying it everywhere.
- The iron fallout product is for the wheels. Or do I use it on the body work too?

Thanks (again!)


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:36 pm 
The tar remover, you lightly spray the LOWER panels and wheels, this is where you will find small tar spots which have been flung up from the road. You will see if any tar starts to run, then give it a quick wipe down with a disposable or old Microfibre cloth and then rinse off.

There are three types of iron fallout remover....one is built into a wheel cleaner and can only be used on wheels, a wheel cleaner with fallout remover which can also be safely used on bodywork and then there is a dedicated iron fallout remover which can be used on both wheels and paintwork.

You can't go far wrong getting CarPro Ironx as a dedicated fallout remover. Recently I tested a fantastic wheel cleaner, Kenotek Ultra, which is safe to use on bodywork.

You will be surprised where you will find iron fallout...even on windscreen glass! However, most of it you will find at the front end and all the wheel arches (breakdust).


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:40 pm 
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willington wrote:
Welcome to the CYC Forum. :D

You have asked the perfect questions.

First up is the 'decontamination' stage:

Shampoo wash (2 bucket method)
De-tar (spray and wipe followed by rinse off)
iron Fallout ( spray on, leave to dwell and then rinse off)
Clay Bar/mitt (use lots of lubrication- a weak shampoo solution/water will be fine) rinse off and dry.

you will now have a perfectly clean paintwork and be able to see any imperfections in the paintwork.

Polishing:

Should you have any paintwork imperfections, now is the time to consider polishing them out....machine or by hand.

If you do polish, it is advisable to remove any polish residues with a product such as Carpro Eraser or an Isopropyl alcohol solution. This will ensure that you don't trap in any polish under the protective layer.

Protection:

You stated a preference for a sealant as they offer longer term protection. This is true. However, you have an option here - Sealants look rather 'sterile', a high reflectivity, deep gloss 'look', but no 'warmth to a dark colour such as yours.

You could apply a sealant on it's own, a sealant base and then a wax over the top of it, or a 'hybrid' wax (a mixture of sealant and wax all in one application).


For simplicity sake, especially at this time of year, I would apply the hybrid wax, as it offers longevity, gloss and 'warmth'. You have a couple of product options here. However, Dododojuice Supernatural hybrid is available in sample sized containers, from the CYC shop, and offers all that you need/want at a low cost.


Well I think willington covered it all really. Decontaminate that bad boy and polish it up. I actually came across some decent discounts for cleaners, waxes and polishes on this site so check them out if you think they could help. In terms of protection I'd go with what everyone else in this thread has been saying and opt for a wax/sealant hybrid. It gives a bunch of benefits of both the sealant and the wax and it simplifies the entire process.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:15 pm 
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I actually came across some decent discounts for cleaners, waxes and polishes on this site so check them out if you think they could help


That site is offering discounts for USA based websites and are quoted in USD$ for US mainland purchases. If you take into consideration the reduced buying power of £Sterling v's the $USA, they aren't so attractive a price.

As for additional Postage costs, let me give you some idea of what to expect......

Yesterday I sent an 8kg parcel to the USA...... DHL wanted £167 and the Post Office (parcel force) charged £102!!!! The value of the goods inside the parcel was only £35!

Literally, it is getting to the stage of being cheaper to fly out yourself to the States and put the items in your luggage.


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 Post subject: Re: What to do first!?
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:50 pm 
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willington wrote:
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I actually came across some decent discounts for cleaners, waxes and polishes on this site so check them out if you think they could help


That site is offering discounts for USA based websites and are quoted in USD$ for US mainland purchases. If you take into consideration the reduced buying power of £Sterling v's the $USA, they aren't so attractive a price.

As for additional Postage costs, let me give you some idea of what to expect......

Yesterday I sent an 8kg parcel to the USA...... DHL wanted £167 and the Post Office (parcel force) charged £102!!!! The value of the goods inside the parcel was only £35!

Literally, it is getting to the stage of being cheaper to fly out yourself to the States and put the items in your luggage.



Aaah, did I not pay attention to detail? I guess I didn´t... You´re absolutely right, they only ship to the US and US territories. I have some of their products though, my uncle organised some. But guess what, he works on an American base and can use their postal address. Today I learned what APO/FPO/DPO means. The Army Post Office is his loophole to make shipping work.

But in general I find that shopping in the US you get good value for money. I always do an Apple comparison: the MacBook sells for £1249 in the UK and for $1299 in the US. Quite the difference I would say.

Aaand you´re right again, it´s almost worth flying over to NY for. I think I´ll do that one of these days.


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