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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:51 am 
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Hi
Just got a new second hand car (VW Tiguan) and as with previous cars would like to get some good habits going. Never lasted with previous cars but hopefully this one will be different.

Spending an excessive amount of time on YouTube watching 'detailing' videos and to be quite honest getting a bit confused.

My plan is to take the car to a professional (or an enthusiastic amateur) once or twice a year and to look after it myself in between. I have a Karcher wih a long hose, got myself a snow foam attachment, 2 good buckets, selection of brushes, a microfibre wash mitt, microfibre cloths and drying towels. Got some snow foam and alloy wheel cleaner, already have some car wash.
Looking into a detailing spray now. I see there are some that are to be used during the drying process, is that a good idea. I have also just discovered sealants (nano/ceramic?) and was wondering of they can be used as a detailing spray (instead of or with) Not the Chemical Guys Carbon Flex C9 type more the Meguiar's Paint Protect type.

I want this detailing experience to be as easy as possible, if it isn't I know I will start to let it slip over (a short) time. I'm not preparing my car for a show, just want it to be in good condition generally.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:36 pm 
Welcome to the CYC Forum :D

You have been mentioning two areas of Detailing:

Six monthly 'overhaul'. This is where the externals would be 'decontaminated', followed by polished and then protective coating applied. It's the protective coating - the specific one used - which will make the maintenance much easier and dictate which maintenance spray to use.

Maintenance. Yes, snow foam and 2 bucket shampoo wash is the norm. You normally only need to use a maintenance spray if you start to notice that the water isn't sheeting off the bodywork.

The maintenance spray should ideally be a product which is compatable with the sealant used on the paintwork. If it's not, then the effects of that spray won't last very long.


I 100% agree with you, the vast array of products can make it totally confusing as to which one to select.....it can even be dictated by which colour of paint your car has, car garaged or not, how much mileage you will drive and the 'look' you want your car to have. Then take into consideration the products durability and cost of the product itself. ie. A ceramic coating may cost more, but the durability can be well over a year to 18 months. Meaning that the six monthly overhaul can be extended and save you that cost.

If you could tell us what colour the Tigun is, the budget you wish to spend and how much you will use the car, then we can offer some suggestions.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:07 pm 
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Thanks for the reply

The Tiguan is metallic blackberry, it is a very nice colour, it is what attracted us to the car. Drive about 8-10000 miles per year

Strictly I don't have a budget, I like value for money. If I can get a good product cheap great but if I have to spend more to get something that is good then OK - but I have to know it is good.
I have bought Bilt Hamber auto-wheel alloy wheel cleaner, £12.95 for a litre. Supposed to be very good but I am concerned that as it appears to be used neat 1Lt is not going to last very long, I might be keeping it for dirty days!

I have seen Chemical Guys Carbon Flex C9 for £120 for a very small bottle but if it genuinely last for 3 years that might be OK - but there are several similar products so if I can get 2 years for £40 or even £60 then that is better - depending on the quality.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:39 pm 
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:wave: SandLake & Welcome to the Forum.

Regarding your comments about the CG Carbon Flex C9, this is a coating, that basically becomes your 'new' clearcoat and there are several products that do this; the thing to remember is, unless your paintwork is pristine, you'll be coating the surface and that's it, what's there is there!

Secondly, application can be a little more complicated, curing times, no exposure to moisture, application temperatures, etc.

An alternative may be a spray/rinse or wipe option. Check out the likes of GYEON Q2M - Wet Coat, Infinity Wax's Express Spray Sealant and an impending newcomer, Bouncer's Bead Juice. These can last 2 - 4 months :-k

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:07 pm 
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I know about the importance of preparation prior to applying the coatings. I have a guy who is going to prep/detail my car next week, the day before I go on holiday (and put my car in the garage for 10 days). Not entirely sure exactly what he will do but it is his 'new to me' + 'winter prep' protection. He is doing it at my house under a car port.

I future I will pre-wash + wash + X.

I'm just not sure what X should be, it will include drying but should it be a detailing spray which assists drying, should it be a polish, should it be an Express Spray Sealant. Maybe a detailing spray weekly with an Express Spray Sealant once a month.

It is that third stage in the washing process that I am confused with!

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:14 pm 
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If you can find out what products he is going to apply, we may be able to give you some more pointers; as different products can need different maintenance products.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:58 pm 
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Thanks

Not sure what products he will use but I did say to him that I was wanting the car to have protection from salt and spray and to at least attempt to keep sprayed up dirt from sticking to the car he mentioned nano protection and for that he used Concept Eclipse. I can't find out much about it!

Bearing in mind that I am a 'Newbie on a steep learning curve' I need to understand this all a bit more and I still need to have some protection for the car so I will carry on with this detail next week and work out what I am trying to achieve after that.

Would it be a good idea to pick a manufacturer and exclusively use their products at least until I become more familiar with all the options. None of it looks that straightforward right now but maybe stick with a range from Chemical Guys initially (for example) and then branch out from there.

I quite like the idea of finishing my wash with 'After Wash' and 'Black Light' but every month or two use 'After Wash' with 'Jet Seal 109' - Is that a good idea (initially)?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:31 pm 
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After a very quick search I stumbled on this, Concept Eclipse Nano Seal & Protect, don't know if we are talking about the same product :?:

Who are you using to 'detail' your car? Whereabouts in the country are you?

You mention the colour if the Tiguan is metallic blackberry, is it anything like this?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:39 pm 
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I think that is the product, when I google it I find a company called Splash Mobile Valeting (he has tagged it on a facebook page) and that is who I am using, I am in Antrim in N.I.

The colour of that Audi is very close, I think the Tiguan is a bit darker - but maybe it is just a bit glossier!


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:43 pm 
Mulder beat me too that link! :lol:

To be honest, if it is the same product, I have strong doubts that the coating will last very long at all....but I would love to be proven wrong.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:50 pm 
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Would you say it is similar to Chemical Guys Jet Seal 109 - not necessarily in longevity but as in type of product?

What do you think of my idea of picking a supplier, i.e. Chemical Guys until I learn a bit more?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:15 pm 
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Would you say it is similar to Chemical Guys Jet Seal 109 - not necessarily in longevity but as in type of product?


Without knowing the chemical compositions, it is almost impossible to confirm. However, the Concept Eclipse is spray product and can be wiped off almost instantly. Whereas the Jet Seal has to 'cure' before being removed. This would indicate that the Concept Elclipse is more akin to a hybrid spray wax/sealant rather than a pure sealant....the link does mention a 'wax' and nano-level.

- sealants are purely synthetic manufactured and waxes are a natural product. Sealants are engineered to last longer than waxes.

The number of manufacturers and their range of products in bewildering, so your idea of just using one Manufacturer's range is a good idea as a starting point.

If posed with the direct question of which sealant would I recommend, it would be Zaino Z2 (it is called a polish, but is actually a pure sealant)..it produces a deep wet look gloss and is long lasting. Additional layers can be applied for an even deeper gloss.

For an interim top-up and enhancer, Zaino Z6 is a good option...it is chemically designed to be used over the top of Z2.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:05 pm 
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Thanks for that.

I think I'll lay off the questions for a while.... Thanks


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:48 am 
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SandLake wrote:
Thanks for that.

I think I'll lay off the questions for a while.... Thanks


We like questions, honestly, we do :D

You say you're in Antrim, take a look at Polished & Waxed in Bangor, County Down or Orchard Autocare Ltd in Tandragee, Co. Armagh.

I've taken a quick look at Splash Mobile Valeting's website and personally, their Winter Protection package at £75.00 for a 4X4, seems very cheap :!: It has been mentioned, many times, in many threads; you do tend to get what you pay for :-k

I've spoken with Marc, at Polished & Waxed, previously and have ordered products from him and I do believe, from his Facebook page, that he may offer a detailing service, though probably not mobile.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:36 am 
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I'm laying off the questions because my brain is fried!

My main reason for going with Splash Mobile Valeting is convenience, even if he wasn't mobile he is easy for me to get to.

I have looked at a few detailers and I ended up with this one. I found someone who wanted £200+ which I would pay but I'm not sure it would be 2.5 times as good as any old £75 detail. In this respect I am not a perfectionist but I don't want a shoddy job done - the only way to find out is to try it and see. When I organised Splash I discovered he did MOT washes so I tried him out for my wife's Polo which was due MOT and he did a great job. The proof is in the pudding!


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